Pioneers of St. Clair County, Michigan - Person Sheet
Pioneers of St. Clair County, Michigan - Person Sheet
NameElizabeth REYNER 
Deathaft 1669, Plymouth?, Plymouth, Massachusetts2755
Memowife in “poor condition”
FatherRev. John REYNER (~1571-1638)
MotherEllen (-1656)
Individual Notes
• Daughter of Rev. John Reyner [sic - see discussion in notes below].2694, p 356,2698, p 269
• The possibility that she was the daughter of the Rev. John Reyner was disproved in 1872 on chronological grounds.2756, p 325
• REYNER. -- Baylies's New Plymouth says (vol. ii, p. 65), that Capt. Southworth married “his cousin Elizabeth Reyner, daughter of Rev. John Reyner.” Plymouth Colony Records give the date, viz., Sept. 1, 1641, but does not give her parentage. Mr. Whitmore, in his invaluable notes, Register, vol. xi. etc., evidently considers the “cousin”-ship imaginary.
What is the proof that this Elizabeth Rener was the daughter of Rev. John? Is it anything more than an inference from the fact that Rev. John was then pastor there?
On the other hand, -- Rev. John Reyner graduated at Emanuel in 1625. If he had a daughter marriageable in 1641, she must have been born before he left college, which is hardly probable.
Further, she must have been a daughter by his first wife, for he married his second wife in Boston, and necessarily after 1635.
It is barely possible that Rev. John had a daughter born early enough to marry in 1641. If he had, and if she died soon after marriage, there was enough time to have another Elizabeth. But, if so, she was born before he left college; she married nineteen years before either her brother or sister by the same mother; and she left a child living when Rev. John made his will, to whom he makes no allusion whatever.
I think we must look elsewhere for the parentage of Elizabeth Reyner who married Thomas Southworth.2757
• From the enclosed you can see that the identity of Elizabeth Reyner/Reynor has been open to question since at least 1872. In the one Southworth published genealogy that the Library has, you can see that someone has written in “sister” of Rev. John Reyner. Unfortunately, this person did not put in a helpful reference.2758,2705, p 33
• She would have been the unmarried daughter Elizabeth, mentioned in the 1638 will of her father, John Reyner; after her father’s death she would have joined her brother John in Plymouth where he was the minister.2756, p 325
• The possibility that she was the daughter of the Rev. John Reyner was disproved in 1872 on chronological grounds.2756, p 325
• REYNER. -- Baylies's New Plymouth says (vol. ii, p. 65), that Capt. Southworth married “his cousin Elizabeth Reyner, daughter of Rev. John Reyner.” Plymouth Colony Records give the date, viz., Sept. 1, 1641, but does not give her parentage. Mr. Whitmore, in his invaluable notes, Register, vol. xi. etc., evidently considers the “cousin”-ship imaginary.
What is the proof that this Elizabeth Rener was the daughter of Rev. John? Is it anything more than an inference from the fact that Rev. John was then pastor there?
On the other hand, -- Rev. John Reyner graduated at Emanuel in 1625. If he had a daughter marriageable in 1641, she must have been born before he left college, which is hardly probable.
Further, she must have been a daughter by his first wife, for he married his second wife in Boston, and necessarily after 1635.
It is barely possible that Rev. John had a daughter born early enough to marry in 1641. If he had, and if she died soon after marriage, there was enough time to have another Elizabeth. But, if so, she was born before he left college; she married nineteen years before either her brother or sister by the same mother; and she left a child living when Rev. John made his will, to whom he makes no allusion whatever.
I think we must look elsewhere for the parentage of Elizabeth Reyner who married Thomas Southworth.2757
• From the enclosed you can see that the identity of Elizabeth Reyner/Reynor has been open to question since at least 1872. In the one Southworth published genealogy that the Library has, you can see that someone has written in “sister” of Rev. John Reyner. Unfortunately, this person did not put in a helpful reference.2758,2705, p 33
• She would have been the unmarried daughter Elizabeth, mentioned in the 1638 will of her father, John Reyner; after her father’s death she would have joined her brother John in Plymouth where he was the minister.2756, p 325
Spouses
Birth1616, Leiden, Holland2754,2705, p 33
Death28 Nov 1669, Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts2754, p 6 Age: 53
FatherEdward SOUTHWORTH (~1590-1620)
MotherAlice CARPENTER (~1590-1670)
Individual Notes
• A brother of Constant Southworth, Thomas was probably born at Leiden ca. 1616-20, and he came to Plymouth sometime after 1627, most likely living with his mother, Alice, and her husband, Gov. William Bradford. He married 1 September 1641 Elizabeth Reyner, daughter of Rev. John Reyner [sic], and they had one child, Elizabeth, who married Joseph Howland (PCR 2:23). He died 8 December 1669 (PCR 8:32). His will, dated 18 November 1669, proved 1 March 1669/70, named his wife and his daughter Elizabeth Howland, and her husband, Joseph, and left gifts to Thomas Faunce, Deborah Morton, William Churchill, and "my brother Constant Southworth" (MD 18:185-86). The Thomas Southworth who came to Plymouth should not be confused with his uncle, Thomas Southworth, who stayed behind in Leiden.2694, p 356
Marriage1 Sep 1641, Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts2447, p 694,2705, p 33,2756, p 325
ChildrenElizabeth (1645-1717)